Speaker 1: 0:00

Go. Is it going? Welcome to Cut the Tie. Where we're all about. We're all about the mission of cutting the tie to whatever's holding you back. That is our mission to help entrepreneurs get better at entrepreneurship Actually, anyone really just get better to become the best versions of themselves by cutting the tie to anything that holds you back. Today I'm joined by Sudsy Monchick. Sudsy, how are you? I'm doing great, buddy. Nice to see you. You as well, man, it's always fun to catch up with you For everyone out there. I've known Sudzy a long time, just from youth and racquetball. I'm not going to do the intro, though. I'm going to let you do it and we'll see how braggy you get.

Speaker 2: 0:37

Then I'm going to support it behind it with whatever you're listening to. Go ahead and introduce yourself. I don't like that. I was energetic and confident, coming out of, obviously, new York here. So I'm Sudsy Munchik and I am a professional racquetball player that has retired. I have been doing it for many decades, don't want to get into that, and I had to figure out. You know, what are we going to do after racquetball? And thank God, you know, I say it all the time Tom racquetball and thank god, uh, you know I say it all the time tom racquetball has given me some of the greatest things in life, but it's taken a little bit too. So, uh, here I am, I'm on, cut the tie and I don't like ties, so thanks for making me not wear one the irony is that, um, I never used to wear ties, even in my work, but I wear them all the time.

Speaker 1: 1:19

now, cut for the purposes of metaphor, uh, you know when, when you're in your journey, right as a professional athlete, you you know, and, and racquetball is a beautiful sport, people don't know it. It's one of the dying sports, unfortunately. I think in, and we're doing everything we can out there, but in your own professional journey, take me through like, maybe, like as you were progressing from, like juniors up, one of the biggest things you had, like the tie you had to cut like, what was the biggest thing you had to overcome throughout that journey?

Speaker 2: 1:51

Yeah, I mean, I started, you know I started playing when I was seven years old and it's definitely a journey and you're familiar with that too which is awesome. Obviously, you know you were a great player and were in your own right, no doubt about it. So when I was about seven, eight years old, I was playing a lot of racquetball. I had won my first junior nationals when I was eight and it was never about competing for me Like it wasn't about it, I'm sorry. It was never about the winning the gold medal. I enjoyed the competition. I wanted to compete and racquetball.

Speaker 2: 2:21

What it did for me was it gave me the ability to hold myself accountable and responsible and put it on me and know that in my journey, nobody's going to get in my way and I'm only going to look at myself and figure that out, and figure that shit out. And I would say that you know where I cut that was. I was very athletic, you know I was 19 years old, dunking a basketball and I could have played a lot of team sports, but I felt that when I was surrounded by others that couldn't perform to the level that I expected and I'm not saying they had to be me, but I would look around and say are you truly being the best version of yourself? Every single time we're at practice or at a game or a training or not, at any of those you know, are you eating, sleeping and is that driving? It's a blessing and a curse. It's good and bad, but you know, I hope that answers kind of the question.

Speaker 1: 3:17

Well, it sounds like you had to choose between team sport direction. Because you are an amazing athlete, because you know, like you know, because your speed and gift and just eye-hand coordination, you could have picked a lot of sports, like baseball, anything, probably, and you have to pick the one that fits you best. Is that the tie? Though You're like I had to choose to be an individual sport and not be part of this. Was that the hardest tie to cut during the whole journey, or was that the first one?

Speaker 2: 3:42

No, I think the hardest tie for me was probably, you know, realizing that from an early age I wanted to be the best player in the world or, at the time, the best ever in racquetball was the sport. Whether I chose it or it chose me. You know how I define athletes are it's how good can you perform at any sport? So actually not your sport. So let's say I'm a racquetball player, you know, okay. Well, what kind of athlete are you? Let's throw you in a basketball court Now. Let's throw you in a tennis court. Let's go run on a football field. Let's go hit some baseballs and throw some baseballs. Let's go skate on a, you know, in a hockey rink. To me, that's how I kind of define an athlete, because there's amazing athletes that are are super specific, right, like they do one thing athlete specific. Nowadays we hear it all the time we have kids. I think it's awful, I think it's holding a lot of kids back and I think it's really limiting their ability to see how good they can be.

Speaker 2: 4:34

Um, so I would say that that was definitely, you know, part of it picking. You know, was it going to be a team sport? Was it going to be an individual sport, but I chose racquetball. Like I think that is cutting the tie. I mean, you know, you just said it, it wasn't a mainstream sport, right? So I had to make that decision when I was younger, when all my buddies who we were just as good or not in whatever sport, there was little league and football, and you know, jason Bonino and I, by the way, played on the same Peewee football team for a year. Um, you know, so that was probably the tie. That I had to cut was like telling all my buddies and tell I'm going to go pick this, you know, out of mainstream or mainline sport. And uh, that was. That was tough. In the beginning. People were like, well, they would actually say, oh, so you're not an athlete, you know that was interesting.

Speaker 1: 5:22

I tell people too, like you know, like what you're describing, by the way, is the tie is not so much to picking the sport it's. It's not giving a shit anymore that someone cares what you do Like.

Speaker 1: 5:32

I don't care how you label me, I love the sport, I love the people in it and love to play. And you see this in business and you have to just make the decision of I mean like I'm going to just do this, I don't care what you think, and this was happened. People starts businesses Like people don't get it, people don't understand why you're doing what you're doing, cause you could have done this. What about that? When you stop caring about what people think about you and go do what you know you're great at or want to, that's the tie that you cut in that moment.

Speaker 2: 5:56

Yeah, a hundred percent. Um, you know, if you're distracted by the noise, you know we call it, I like to call it that or or. There's always going to be haters, there's always going to be supporters, but at the end of the day, it's it's you looking into the mirror and saying is this what I want? Is this what I want to do? What am I going to do every second of every day to make sure that I attain those results? Right, if I'm worried about everyone else's opinion or what they're doing or what sport?

Speaker 2: 6:23

Why I didn't play baseball or basketball or tennis? I mean, I'm 10 years old and I had a tennis coach tell me well, you got to pick racquetball or tennis. I was doing pretty well, you know both of them. And people ask me all the time don't you wish you picked tennis? And I'm like, no, not at all. I mean, yeah, financially it might've been a little different, but again, the things that I've I've lived or received or got out of racquetball, I would. I wouldn't change that for the world. I wouldn't mind changing the financial compensation for it, but that's you know later in the conversation.

Speaker 2: 6:50

Um, so yeah, you know, it's it's if you're going to, no matter what if you're in business and you're not focused on the task at hand, you're never going to be able to reach that. You know the top of the mountain, the top of the peak, and I think that that's, that's important it's. It's something that people to me, they're just afraid to do it. You know it's. It's the fear of the unknown. Like I'm going to go, I'm going to go down this, this alley right here, you coming with me or not, like that's what being an individual athlete does. It's I'm going. I don't know if you're looking at your business, career or life or doing a podcast, whatever it is like, don't worry about anything else and it will all work out if you are truly giving, giving it your all.

Speaker 1: 7:33

What are the lessons there? That I think is important and I like extrapolating sports, for you know cause, being a top rated sports person, if you make money or don't make it, most people make money after they stay in it. But it's the same principles that go to being an entrepreneur or business, because you just described something very important and this happens a lot of entrepreneurs the entrepreneurial ADD, which is a benefit in sports, because you get the sampling and you get more coordination. You also land in what you love, versus wishing I could have been or should have been something else, which I think is what you described as missing. But that sampling also creates noise and distraction from what you could be great at.

Speaker 1: 8:07

And if you had focused both on tennis and racquetball and summer baseball, you would not have been as great as you were because you would not have won as many like people would have caught you from your natural ability because you were a hundred percent focused on something, not knowing if it was going to work or not. You just loved what you were doing. You were successful, probably because you had talent plus that. Is that a fair statement?

Speaker 2: 8:26

Yeah, very fair. I think we're all gifted with something, whether it's in life or in sport. It's finding it and then maximizing it. In my case, I was absolutely touched or gifted by someone or a higher power and said, hey, you could be great at this. If you give it your all and focus and go do that and I think a lot of people don't do that, you know you spread yourself too thin, right? We hear that all the time. It's good to be versed in different things, especially, you know, in sport.

Speaker 2: 8:56

Again, I always say life is sport, sport is life. Failures, successes, you know the ups, the downs, the highs, the lows, the wins, the losses, the adversities, right, like, you know, one of the things that's funny, I talk about a lot in coaching when I am coaching and now in my new position in life. You know I'm kind of a coach, you know, but I'm also putting out fires. I'm a problem solver, and sport that's what we're doing. We're solving problems. It's you always we're we're. It's you know we look at. I always look at both, right, tom, I look at what's worst case scenario, what's best case scenario. Usually it falls somewhere in the middle. Okay, uh, but you're not going to surprise me if it's the bottom or the top, and I'm not going to be satisfied one way or the other. Uh, you know, so it's. It's, but it's good and bad, you know, and it really is. It'll keep me driven. It'll hopefully get everybody around me to be better at what they do, whether it's sport or whether it's business life.

Speaker 1: 9:53

Yeah Well, another tie that I know you have is you said you're retired and you moved on to it's Frank hotels as you're the chief operating officer for them, and you got that position because of your for racquetball and the relationships you developed and I think the takeaway that I've seen in your career and I've stalked you from afar when we were as we've grown up, you're not the only one.

Speaker 1: 10:17

You have way better stalkers Mine was at least positive, occasional smart-ass comment. What I've seen is that you've maximized opportunity and people don't know racquetball doesn't pay a lot. Maybe you can tell in a best year playing what was your best earnings in a year of racquetball.

Speaker 2: 10:40

Yeah, I mean hustling my ass off years and years and years ago, when I was number one in the world, winning everything in sight, doing appearances, doing clinics, doing exhibitions, you know, could I make six figures? Absolutely Did I, sure. But what does that do? Pay the bills? I mean, yeah, was there a time to you know, maybe I could have saved a little more or did things different, but you know, you're 19, 20, 21. What do you know? Right, you think it's just never ending monopoly money.

Speaker 2: 11:00

And, yeah, racquetball doesn't get, it doesn't compensate their athletes. But let's be honest, it's a business. We know numbers, statistically, you know if people aren't watching it, if it's not getting multi-millions of views on TV and the big sponsors aren't coming in, it is what it is. We, as racquetball players professionals, uh, amateurs we know what it is right, it's, we know what it's going to pay, what it's not. Uh, so, yeah, I mean, I had to figure out how to parlay, uh, what racquetball has done for me. And I say this all the time, tom, the best thing racquetball gave me, it wasn't the money, it wasn't the titles, it wasn't the mini fame, it wasn't, uh, you know some of the other things. It was, it was. It was the relationships, absolutely, it was the people. It was the people, like the owner and founder of Frank hotels, my wife, right? I mean, she's a racquetball player, she's the most decorated player in the history of Ecuador, she's a professional. You know, we have two beautiful kids and you know. So the relationships. And I think, I think, that that's something that people miss on a day-to-day basis too. They're so focused on maybe bottom line or numbers or statistics, right Whereas don't lose sight of the people you're speaking with or you're texting with or you're talking to, because that person, as long as you can deliver, can absolutely change your life.

Speaker 2: 12:21

And if you miss that opportunity, well, that's on you, but know that that's, they're always there. You know, we go to the coffee shop, we go to get gas, I go grocery shop and there's usually an opportunity. Now I may utilize that opportunity differently. You know, the other day I walked into the bank and I had to give a, I had to do something at the bank, and they were talking about going away and traveling and I said, oh well, guess what you can go to. They were talking about going away and traveling and I said, oh well, guess what you can go to. You know Frank Hotels and use promo code Sudsy and get a discount. And well, there's an opportunity. We just maybe created a lifelong customer. You know and customers and you know when that goes. If you're looking for a new career, there's always an opportunity you never know. Some are better than others at identifying it.

Speaker 1: 13:05

But, yeah, racquetball has absolutely given me the best relationships in life that are there forever, right, and I think part of the perspective from growing up and anybody in sport probably gets this but a lot of us were teenagers that parents couldn't, we were all over the country every weekend playing. So we all got to know each other on a hey I'll see you in a month, very acquaintance kind of base. They're fun, competitive, but everyone kind of got along Right and you learn how to kind of talk, trash and have fun. But you learn to grow up pretty quickly when you're playing these sports.

Speaker 1: 13:27

You're traveling, you're seeing the world, but you also realize that, hey, you got to kind of go back and go do something and come back next time and not suck or improve and and you learn how to, in your own way, grow up and go do that and and I think it just in business, like as you interact with people and you build this network, how you behave and the relationships you do in your youth, your middle age, wherever else they carry with you, and so I think, being conscious of, hey, you know, if you were an absolute ass, you would not have the opportunity to have, no matter how good you are at a sport, you would be really hurting.

Speaker 1: 14:00

And there's people that are in sport that were like they were like, oh my God, I never want to talk to that guy. And there's people that are in the sport that were like they were like, oh my God, I never want to talk to that guy. And I think the thing I see from you is specifically, and I think anybody can take away of, is just behave with some kind of grace, elegance and respect and honor, because those relationships are what matter at the end of the day. Obviously, if you make millions and millions, sure, but the most people don't aren't in that position.

Speaker 2: 14:20

And sometimes it's a learning process. I've absolutely had my own personal ups and downs too. There's no doubt. You know you're not always going to be 100% out of the gate, right, we're not going to shoot. You know, 18 under par every time we go out on the golf course. So you're going to make mistakes and have those obstacles and there's no doubt and I'm guilty, we're probably all guilty of the same, you know. But you learn from those. It's what you do with that.

Speaker 2: 14:43

And today, nowadays I mean imagine talking about younger kids with social media. Listen, it is what. It is right. They're going to do it. They're going to make mistakes. You hope they make less mistakes and not as grave. As a parent, that's what you want. You want the best version of you for them to be better at and none of the bad. Uh, and you know, when I'm coaching or training, I say this all the time. This is in life and business and sport. I'm like tom, I'm no better than you. It's it's I just. Am I allowed to curse and cut the time? You know, it's kind of a new york thing, sorry it just it there's a lot of research behind it.

Speaker 2: 15:17

Actually, that it that is good too, but it's like you know. You have to see, I lost my train of thought.

Speaker 1: 15:23

You just that's the add in all of us, right right, I have no chance to get you back on track either. Just to be clear.

Speaker 2: 15:30

Thank you. Yeah, I'll get back to it. We'll. We'll come back to it anyway. Yeah, no, that that's. Yeah, I know you're not, but, uh, you know I'm not smarter. This is what I was gonna say. I'm not smarter than you. Uh, I just fucked up more Right, and and I figured out how to get better.

Speaker 2: 15:45

And that's a direct correlation to sport too. Tom, I'm not a better. You can say I'm a better racquetball player, or I might beat you, but here's why I'm telling you, or suggesting you do this, because I've messed up doing that. Uh, you know. So you know that's part of the coaching. I love that. I love helping maximize people to become the best version of them. And, you know, Racquetball definitely gave me the ability to do that with a little bit of my personality, my upbringing, how I grew up, and probably messing up a lot, and then being able to fix it and redirect and, you know, realign, but at the end of the day, we all could do that. It's like how you know, if you're watching this, are you doing everything in your power to maximize whatever situation you're in and be the absolute best version. And oh, by the way, here's the blessing and the curse, because guys like me, when I think I'm at my best, I think there's better. Yeah, I can. I can be better.

Speaker 1: 16:42

So talk about this kind of moment, the moment when you knew you were going to retire for real. Not the first one, but because you came back and you got in shape. You lost about 7,000 pounds and you came back.

Speaker 2: 16:54

Yeah, I was not skinny or fit. I'm truly done. Yeah, I lost no-transcript and sucked out all of my competitive drive. The dog we all have a dog. We don't all have a dog. We may, but some dogs are different. And it's a cliche saying but it's very accurate in life, you know, like somebody put a big syringe in me and just sucked out the fight and I didn't have, I couldn't tap into that dark darkness where I got to go sometimes to get out of that hole or that well, and I don't know where it went. I think it could have been with the birth of my kids, you know, and it just wasn't there as much as I tried to find it the only time I could find it. And then I would find myself putting myself in positions outside the court to test myself.

Speaker 2: 17:54

It might be a little example of what that would be being confrontational overly unnecessarily with a stranger, um to kind of see the reaction. Not you know and and and and and it's understand.

Speaker 2: 18:08

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not saying it's a good thing, no-transcript, just the fight. It was the fight, but then one day, almost like, almost like, vividly, like, just suck, I just felt like I don't want to do it anymore. I don't want to fight, I don't want to go tap into that dark side, you know, and I'm not a UFC fighter, but I would gladly jump in there and get the shit kicked out of me and choked out because I just liked the competition, you know. Um, so I think that was probably and if you're asking for a specific day, it was a buildup and I started to feel it. And then what happened was and this is, you know, probably hopefully good for your listeners too.

Speaker 2: 19:11

Now I'm a shell of myself, and now you know somebody's watching me a fan or an audience, or a kid, even worse and they're supposed to see this great Sudsy Munchik and what is he going to do? On the racquetball court? And, granted, physically I could still do it, but I didn't even want to be there. So now imagine going to work, and now I know I'm talking to a larger audience on this one and you just don't want to be there. There's no way you're going to be able to perform, to, to, to and listen. We got to pay the bills, right, Like there's. There's things you got to do, and but you know. So that was for me when I realized I'm not doing this anymore, I'm, I'm done Like. I have more fun now on a racquetball court than I ever did up until that retirement point, because up until that retirement point I just want to be the, I want it to be the best and know how good I can be. And then I knew I wasn't able to go do that Right.

Speaker 1: 20:03

And then it goes right. I know I know the feeling you're talking about. I actually mine was a slightly different. I wasn't to your level. But a big part for for me in racquetball at least, was I enjoyed the people and making people laugh and having fun. And yeah, I was, you're great at it. But if I had gotten serious, like of like I didn't have that fire drive to, like like I wasn't even there for the competition, I was there to have fun and make friends, um, and it ties maybe some stuff, my childhood like, kind of like feeling disconnected, but I didn't realize that till older. Like I really just enjoyed the people, um, and I got a win occasion that was kind of fun in the mini, kind of fame, local or regional or whatever.

Speaker 1: 20:39

You kind of get out of that um, and but now when I go back and I started playing about a year ago and I'll play with these guys that aren't very good and some are pretty good, they're like, they're open but, like you know, but they weren't to the level that you know and I'm coming back, I've not played for 15 years and occasionally someone will say something or they'll trash talk and just get under my skin just enough. Or I'm like my next shot's gonna go so fast underneath your feet that you're gonna regret thinking that you said that and you'll do that. And they'll be like like you'll hit a backhand, like I've never seen anyone hit a backhand that hard. I'm like it's because you just don't know what's in there. Like usually, it'll come back and you're like all right, I don't want to do that because I'm getting pissed, because you get angry and you get into it and you're like but then you're like I can't sustain this.

Speaker 1: 21:26

This is because now I can see them getting more irritated by change and I'm like I'm there for that relationship right now, not to beat the shit out of you guys, cause I can and and and. So you're, you're, you're. I mean like that motivation goes. And I think that the lesson in the tie, so to speak, is you got to accept where you are kind of in your life and what you want out of it. No-transcript, you're probably just pissed. I'm not that guy anymore and I don't know what's who I'm gonna be well, well and.

Speaker 2: 22:03

But then sometimes I want to see who I am. What's in there, you know are. Is that still there? And yeah, to your point, it is. It's more fun now for me because I take that and plus I'm in a no win situation, right, like in racquetball. Even if I get on the court now at 50, everyone's like, oh my God, you should win and beat everybody and be the best player in the world. I'm like now, here's the problem, right, but could I? I don't want to.

Speaker 1: 22:30

Are you going to die for?

Speaker 2: 22:30

that shot now. No, no-transcript, that's what I miss the most. That, um, and I could say for me personally, the, the, yes, the, the competitiveness of my business role now and, and what my job is and what I need to do. Of my business role now and and what my job is and what I need to do, you know, to make this company a success absolutely comes from, you know, my sport background. But there's there's nothing like that fight, you know, like the closest thing to it is let's go walk down the street and just pick a fight. You know, let's see you know that competitiveness you know I try to avoid that.

Speaker 2: 23:28

You know I don't want any part of that, you know. But um, so yeah, that that you have to have that though, and that kind of goes back to the dog, and if you're sitting behind that microphone or you have the dog in you, like you want to go make it happen and make it work, and you have to do. It's on you, to everything in your power, every second of every day, every decision to be better at that, whatever it is.

Speaker 1: 23:49

Yeah, your response. So you're, um, I listen and I give advice to anyone on this. The way you'll be successful and why people do success is there's like the Venn diagram of you have a passion for something, you can perform in it and you can have some kind of you know um impact on somebody, meaning or you can make money, like there's impact is money, it's it's, it's it's helping people, whatever it is. If you have that passion and you have the ability to perform and there's a market to impact, that's where you focus your time. Now, the example being rack ball, the impact's small because it's a small market and so you couldn't make much to do it. You know, if, if it was the baseball size and you're, or whatever it is, and it was one of those like worldwide sports and you're number one, millions follow.

Speaker 1: 24:27

You're never getting out of it and you're probably never quitting because there's always money for appearances and at some point you can't pay bills with it because you can't sustain it.

Speaker 1: 24:34

It's just out and in the business you're in, it's like a lot of business. It's a shrinking market, there's no money in it and there's less money going into it and it's like I have to go do something else but you use as a springboard to go do it, and I think I'll give you the shameless plug at the end of what you're doing Frank hotels. We'll get to that, guys. We'll get to where, how you get to, like a suds code, but I think that's the the. The lesson here is either you're a professional athlete or you're you're just doing your own business. You have to realize where you are. You have to understand what ties you needed to cut to kind of get there and where you are reality wise, and so I applaud you for taking the step and you put your. It sounds like what you've done, instead of putting you first and you're you're you've put your family first.

Speaker 2: 25:16

I had to. Yeah, and it could be humbling Tom, it's hard like, no matter what you're doing especially you look at the studies on professional athletes, any sport.

Speaker 2: 25:24

you know this is what I've been doing my entire life, right, like I was gifted with this racket in my hand and somebody said, okay, go see how good you can be at it. And in my world or my eyes or fans, or statistically, you might say, well, I did everything I possibly could life and it has created really, really good opportunities. But I can tell you that it's not easy to cut the tie and I think that you know really it's funny that we've gotten to this and this wasn't set up like this. Like my biggest life, cutting the tie was probably realizing racquetball is not going to do it anymore.

Speaker 1: 26:10

And you probably realized that long before you retired, though.

Speaker 2: 26:13

You do and, and that's the hardest part, like the scariest part for me, or the most challenging, intimidating thing, was to cut the tie and guess what? You know, you look at this how ironic the tie was. Probably racquetball now, you know, for me in life, and um, it's trying to lead you there.

Speaker 2: 26:31

It's difficult and I did, I maximized it, I worked my ass off to to your point about the small market, with the coaching, with the clinic, with the appearances, with the exhibitions, with you know, um, and all those things. And, yes, my resume helped, no doubt, cause I had somebody say that to me once. They're like, well, you can make this much still because of your resume. And I'm like, well, that's not my fault, I'm still working my ass off trying to. It's not like, you know, people aren't banging the door down Now could I still use racquetball as my main source of revenue? Likely, but you can argue that it is because of the relationship I built you know out of racquetball.

Speaker 2: 27:09

So yeah, I'm I'm not the greatest player in the world anymore. Nobody cares.

Speaker 1: 27:13

It's not about me and I think the other thing you realize that, yeah, jets and money, they aren't the metric that mattered. 100 relationships with your family, your friends, um, you know I've stayed in touch over years and it's like you have these relations. You know you can come to atlanta, but hey, do you want to get caught?

Speaker 2: 27:30

I'm there, I'm going it's like we've seen each other every day for the last 20 years.

Speaker 1: 27:33

It wouldn't right, because that's well. That's also how we grew up, like hey, haven't seen you yet. But the the point I think with with it is uh, no matter what you're doing, do the best you can get the most out of it, and at some point it's okay to move on, it's okay to say I've had enough.

Speaker 2: 27:52

Yeah, I got, yeah, I got to touch on that. So I'll tell you a quick story. I was at a tournament. This is, this is actually eyeopening. It's okay In case I forget. Great song by uh, what was her nightbird?

Speaker 1: 28:02

Go Google it, it's okay.

Speaker 2: 28:22

Jam covered it. Okay, so I'm at a tournament I'll say the people's names because you'll probably know both of them and I am Mike Cerise, here from Canada, who is a Canadian champion, one of the most decorated players, hall of Famer of one of the best women to ever play. We were at the U S open for racquetball, which is the biggest tournament of the year, and I had won it four times at the time was the most ever, but I was already. I had that checkout moment, right, like we talked about, like I was. That drive was sucked out of me already and there was a few events in a row that I was just kind of a shell of myself. Even if I won it, you could just tell it wasn't me, I wasn't fully into it, I wasn't all you know, all in and um, I'll never forget this moment.

Speaker 2: 28:56

Mike Sericio, who wasn't a dear, close friend of mine, he was a good acquaintance Um, maybe he just heard me like how I was talking about the tournament or the or the, or watching me, even like the energy I was or was not putting into it, and he looked at me and he goes, just like this, what you just said, he goes, hey, and he called me S he didn't say Sudsy, he goes, s, it's okay, he goes. I said and like I looked, I'm like, what do you mean? He goes, it's okay. If you want to go, like, if you're done, it's okay.

Speaker 2: 29:27

I was 29 years and when he said that and it's not the person I would have expected that to come from right A mother a father, a best friend, you know and it just really resonated, tom, I was like I felt better in that moment because of the amount of pressure that I was feeling by not knowing that I wasn't all me at Deep Events anymore. And there was a ton of pressure being sudsy. You know as small as our ton of pressure being sudsy. You know as small as our market is. There just is, you know, in our little world. And he just looked at me and those were his exact words it's okay, and that's what his okay was cut the tie. It's okay If you want to go, cause you're not who you are, you're not being who you are every day at the office. You know, my office was the court.

Speaker 1: 30:16

I find so much parallel in sport to business. And you know, even in my own journey of business here I look at stuff where we've built a good business and I'm like, do I want to do that? Like I'm almost 50. And I'm like I don't want to be doing this 10 years from now. I don't want to be that. So I'm taking the steps now to say I already know I'm going to cut the tie on this, so I might as well get something in a position that becomes it. Um, I think in any athlete, any business, you have these moments when you realize I'm going to need to make a change. And if you don't prepare for it, that's when you're screwed. If you waited so I'm going to push this in a knee injury and you never developed the relationships, you never had the conversation with those you trusted, you'd be screwed and be really low. And I'm sure you retired for a little while in your thirties, right, and you hit a low.

Speaker 2: 30:58

I pushed it too long. I pushed it too long. Yes, there's no doubt I pushed it too long and if it's any advice I can give to anyone that's younger than us, but it's not that easy to recognize. You think it's going to continue? You just do, you're going to figure, I'm going to figure it out, I'm going to figure it out.

Speaker 2: 31:13

Right, and I got into a few businesses and those failed because the problem was, when I did that now, I wasn't who I truly felt I was right, I wasn't all in, I wasn't ready to cut the tie, so those businesses weren't as good as I'm going to use that all the time now. Sorry, buddy, I wasn't. I wasn't, as I wasn't the best version of myself because I was doing things that I truly wasn't happy doing. Okay, so to your point, I recognized, a little later than I should have, and, thank God, veronica, my wife. She showed me exactly where I was supposed to be and then, from there, work it out, now knowing what I knew. So, racquetball she brought me back to racquetball, all in, I went through a dark time. I wanted nothing to do with it. The people the sport didn't want to see it, didn't want to hear it. Veronica brought me back in line and then from there, the best things in my life have happened over the last 10 years, and that's a little later than maybe what we'd like, but thank god it happened.

Speaker 1: 32:21

You know, or thanks, veronica I'll tell you what I remember. Uh, I, I like I said I, I say this wasn't your level. I remember being at college nationals. Uh, my junior year I built the team at iu. Uh, iu, brian Simpson had won. That year. I wasn't even the best player on the team. I was the only guy in that tournament who could beat Brian Simpson. He ended up winning, beating Eric Mueller those not listening, it's okay, you just look it up. That's my boy.

Speaker 1: 32:43

But the point being is, Brian beat him. I played with Brian almost every day at IU and I was probably the only guy in that tournament who could how to beat him sure, and I remember playing javier moreno. I still send javier and he's the fastest human. You and jason, you know probably two fastest. He is the fastest human I've ever played. Gets a lot of balls he does. I aced him 28 aces in two games and lost 15 14 really, now you know I could hit.

Speaker 2: 33:10

I would love, oh yeah, you smash it. I would love to see that video.

Speaker 1: 33:14

I would not because I people are like just I could not. My mind was so gone, I couldn't rally, I didn't want to be there, I didn't want to have anything with rack.

Speaker 1: 33:24

I was like I'm just going to smash the shit out of this ball and try to beat him with aces.

Speaker 1: 33:28

And I ended up losing and I was so mentally broken already in that match All he had to do is return it and I had no idea what I was going to do. And I was like, and I remember thinking like I just want to be out of this sport completely because, like he was starting to get towards graduation. I was like I already know I'm not going to play. I put so much time and effort in this and it was so like and and it's so deflating that you got to be there and be that and I and I can't imagine the pressures you're on, because I was, mine weren't even on the same level but I remember thinking I just want to get done with this, I just want to leave. And I left it for like 20 years. After that I didn't play. After that I was like I'm just so done with it. It was just like and and and and I don't regret not playing, but I remember regretting being in it when I didn't want to be.

Speaker 2: 34:08

And that and that's it. That's you know, that's the takeaway. Like when you're the takeaway, like when you're, no matter what you're doing. If you're listening to this and you're in something that you don't want to be, I don't want to say you'll regret it, cause that's a tough one, like I think you can learn from it Right and get better. And yeah, I mean we can say oh, I would always say I wish I didn't verse, I wish I did. You know, I wish I would have, or I wish I didn't do that. Right, I certainly have lived that side. I wish I didn't do this versus.

Speaker 1: 34:36

Oh, I wish I would have said hey, I'm going to play this tournament and be done, versus being in that tournament going. I wish I wasn't here, I think I regret more than. I wish I had. I'm going to make this my greatest one and I'm going to find a way to beat this guy because I can. I mean he cannot return my server.

Speaker 2: 34:51

I get it in and you probably could today, if you could go back right now with that knowledge I can definitely beat him now. I see he's fat he might be slow you, yeah, well, we all got love the air.

Speaker 1: 35:02

I hope you're fantastic.

Speaker 2: 35:03

Look at you now let's send that to hobby. Hobby's me at a mono, but hobby I don't. So here's the thing with javier and I. Who's got a bigger head, me or javier?

Speaker 1: 35:12

those are big noggins, dude well, big braces, or or no? No actual physical his head's way bigger than a pumpkin it's a bobblehead.

Speaker 2: 35:20

It's a beautiful thing, isn't it just?

Speaker 1: 35:22

kind of hobby. I hope you watch this. This is for you, I want everyone to know. By the way, this is our last the subject we've moved to a 15 minute format. This is our last long form interview I'm ever going to go do for a while you're it, I'm going to put you as the last one Well then you got to get me on the short term. I'll get you the short one we're going to have to just be more focused.

Speaker 2: 35:42

Too much fun.

Speaker 1: 35:44

I do want to do some rapid fire questions with you, but before we do sum up your career where you are today and distill it down to one piece of advice.

Speaker 2: 36:01

It's been quite the journey. There's been a lot of ups and downs. All the things while it's happening in the moment probably aren't as important as what is happening outside, those moments that you're experiencing. Somebody's always watching and just know that there's an opportunity every second of every day. You might not always see it, but if you're aware of it you might be able to maximize it and it might either come back around or might be slammed right in your face. So pay attention to that, I would say. Somebody's always watching.

Speaker 1: 36:43

And that's both a positive and a negative. Just know that someone's always and it could be like someone's keeping an eye on you for good or eye on you for bad- they're watching and then it's up to you what are they seeing, how are you performing, how are you responding?

Speaker 2: 37:03

And and also, it could be in a in a bad way, they may see it. They may see a positive in that right, like as a leader today, for for the business I'm in, it's my job, tom, to find how to maximize each person. Each person has something they can get, but it doesn't mean maybe you're not the fastest guy in the room but you're the smartest. Maybe you're not the strongest but you're the tallest, and somebody's always watching.

Speaker 2: 37:24

And you know, my career has been it's racquetball has given me the greatest things in life. But it's taken from me also and it took me some time to figure out how to maximize that, how to be the best version of myself. You know, if I could say I could go back and maybe minimize some of the mistakes or things that I did in life, I absolutely would. But I think I'm hoping that's the person that I try to be just be a good person and realize, yeah, you know, never did anything with malicious intent or bad decisions, just always thinking I'll figure it out. Right, like that. That's a little bit ADD too right, like that's a problem, self-diagnosed ADD.

Speaker 1: 38:02

No, I'm formally diagnosed. I took it this year. Actually, every year I cut a tie. I stopped drinking 18 months ago completely. I started doing a little bit of faith journey. I'm not going to sell Bibles anytime soon and this year'm doing adult adhd well pay.

Speaker 2: 38:17

Let's talk about that uh, we should do.

Speaker 1: 38:20

We'll take it offline because I'm early in the journey. Last year was also fitness, so every every morning at 8 am I work out. Now, no matter what the day but did they?

Speaker 2: 38:28

but did the doctor tell you about add and adhd? I had this from a world-renowned psychologist or psychiatrist, whichever it is. They said they told me that a lot of super hyper successful people have it. And they said the we have the ability to hyper focus. Have you heard that term? Oh yeah, okay, so yeah, you know all about it. So racquetball, imagine that I need to be.

Speaker 1: 38:51

It's the best ADHD sport and you know it's fast.

Speaker 2: 38:54

It's immediately rewarding 10 seconds right, 10 second rallies. Okay, that's over. Go be the. It's like a goldfish almost.

Speaker 1: 39:01

So it's the perfect ADHD sport.

Speaker 2: 39:04

Whereas golf I can go fire a 77, but I might fire a 90, because I'm just I'm playing that whole intent.

Speaker 1: 39:11

A whole 12 for an ADHD. Get me off this horse playing that whole intent for an 88.

Speaker 2: 39:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I did a funny quick story Bowling. We're at a bowling tournament with Doug Gannon. You remember Doug Doug's big guy, tom Tom knows who he is. And uh, it's, it's a party, it's a sponsor party and I'm literally messing around, talking, having fun, throwing. I throw like a 90, right, he says to me he goes, oh my God, you're terrible. I said like he touched that button. Right, I said what do you want to play for? I literally just rolled a 90. And you know, but we're talking, we're laughing, we're drinking, we're entertaining, and he goes. Are you kidding me? I go a hundred bucks, now he had just pulled like a 150. He goes, he goes absolutely. Shane Vanderson's there, there's a bunch of racquetball players there. Yeah, I think I.

Speaker 1: 39:57

I don't think I bowled a 225 because I just lock it in it's over.

Speaker 2: 40:02

I just went like that that was it and and he's like, and the whole time he's got that same reaction. He's looking at me going you're a sick, you know.

Speaker 1: 40:10

Like he's like what is wrong with you? You guys don't know. D Doug was a very good professional player.

Speaker 2: 40:16

But anyway, ADD is not so bad if you know how to control it.

Speaker 1: 40:19

Yeah, and it's not, and what I describe it as and this is what my problem was with it is I can run a marathon as fast or faster than anyone. I can't finish the last mile, and so it's like. And so what I found was I have teams that outsource, do all my stuff that I can't finish. I'm going to go deeper into that last mile as I can and then still enable those around me to go even faster, so that my goal is to get the last. I'm not looking for a 50%, I'm looking for a 10% improvement maybe of my execution.

Speaker 2: 40:49

That's a good leader, though. That's great that you recognize that I'm trying to do the same, you know, and you know, just pull it all, ring it all in. You know, I got because I liked the chaos. I'm more comfortable with the chaos. Yes, yes, you know, give me one specific task and it's like oh, this is boring, this is easy, right, it's like, but is it?

Speaker 1: 41:08

Well, you know, it's funny, the task. Uh, as I've gotten calmer in my life, uh, as I've gotten calmer in my life, I've gotten way better at golf.

Speaker 2: 41:15

Yeah, agreed.

Speaker 1: 41:16

I'll play like once every six months. Still go out there and break 80s.

Speaker 2: 41:21

Speed golf I was playing nine holes in 40 minutes.

Speaker 1: 41:25

Yeah, but you know what? You probably shoot your best when there's no one out there.

Speaker 2: 41:28

Yeah, I did okay.

Speaker 1: 41:30

Yeah, because you're distracting, Exactly. So I think the lesson and advice I'm going to come back to that just because I'm sure they'll get edited down maybe a little bit here, but if not, people are always watching, uh, and not that that's important, but just be conscious, I think, of where you are and what you're, not in a vacuum. Your words, your actions, your whatever you do has impact and it's going to help you or hurt you. So just be aware of that when you're out there. I think that's the biggest piece is just being conscious in a situational awareness of what's going on.

Speaker 2: 42:01

Yes, yep For sure. Great way to say it.

Speaker 1: 42:04

All right, here's, here's the quick fire. Go for it. Yep, you get one, you get. These are quick fire.

Speaker 2: 42:09

Oh, they want to quite like. Do I get a full sentence?

Speaker 1: 42:12

answer. You can pass and maybe he'll get it, or you know you're going to roll it out. You're going for roll out here, okay, all right. Who gives you inspiration and why?

Speaker 2: 42:23

I hate the cliche of this my wife and kids, because they drive me and motivate me every day to take care of them and do the best I absolutely can for them. So I am inspired by them to be the best version of myself and our family I can every day.

Speaker 1: 42:39

Do your kids know? Do they look at you and go like you know daddy, like you were good at anything?

Speaker 2: 42:45

No, five and seven, no, five and seven. And we try to keep it real and keep it humble. And you know we let them figure it out and we don't. You know we don't talk about that stuff and you know it is what it is, they're only five and seven. So you know, um, and I think when your daddy, no matter who you are, if you're, you know Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods or Michael Phelps I think your daddy and that's the key thing, like I don't want to be sudsy muncher, I want to be daddy.

Speaker 2: 43:10

Daddy, I love it the best business advice I've ever seen received man could be. If somebody said this to me specifically as a partner and I to this day I love it. If there were 10 of you or 20, or 50, or 100, depending on the size of your business, what good would you be? And uh, the the scenario was I was kind of a bitching a little bit about a about some businesses I was in. We had about 20 employees and I was kind of running it all and uh, my business partner I had uh, I was just bitching, just smiling like this. This is looking at me as I'm going and I'm not a complainer, right Cause I want everybody to be to my level or better. Like nothing makes me happier now, tom, then getting somebody that results they want. And if you do, I don't go like this to myself. I actually I'm harder on myself if I'm helping you and you don't get there. But when you do, I look at you and say it to you and I'm just kind of like rough morning, rough day.

Speaker 2: 44:27

And he looked at me and he said hey, sudsy, if there were 20 of you, what good would you be? That's what he said and it really hit home. I was like thank you, that was that was. That was solid advice. Yeah, what's like thank you, that was solid advice, yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:43

What's one book you've read that you just think is a must read?

Speaker 2: 44:47

Oh, my goodness, I mean, am I allowed to look? I mean, honestly, the Art of War, the Way I'm Wired, the Way I'm? Yeah, now, regardless of what you think of Lance Armstrong and his history it's not about the bike was spectacular, his journey and fight through cancer. I really really a lot what I do when I read. I'm looking this way to see if I have something I could show you. I don't, because what I do is I like to highlight things I can relate to, so or or, or, actually or, actually use, and then, you know, use in life or in business.

Speaker 2: 45:25

Art of War, for me, is one of my favorites. You know I like a lot of that mental health stuff. Also, though, journeys and fights and wins and battles, and you know I have American philosophy sitting on my nightstand for probably five years and maybe read a couple of chapters ADD, so that just wasn't my vibe. I think you know, reading ADD is tough, right, like I can read a few lines, and if it's like, trust me, if you want to read a good book, ask someone that has ADD or ADHD and ask them what book they've read, cover from start to finish, go read it, would you agree, tom?

Speaker 1: 45:59

I would. What helps you through that, by the way, is listening to the book and reading it at the same time. Your retention on it is significantly higher. I do like Lance Armstrong. One Side note on Lance Armstrong I would say their whole sport cheats at every level. He was still the best at doing it. And I go look at football. They use steroids. I just like you Listen. In racquetball, that's not doing it. And I go up look at football other they use their steroids. Like, yeah, I just like you listen. If in racquetball just I'm going to come back to us just from this is if someone goes hey, tommy, you can have three million a year if you want to play racquetball, but you're probably gonna have to go do some I probably would agree to it honestly because it's all right.

Speaker 2: 46:32

Fine, yeah, there's not any money for it at that point I think the steroid era and I think all that stuff. I think it's all unfair in the sense of just because you didn't get caught and he or she did, or he did better than you and got caught.

Speaker 2: 46:46

I have tons of friends in big sports. I'll use Major League Baseball the shit these guys were doing, it doesn't mean they didn't do it. You just didn't get caught, just didn't get caught. So barry bonds, he's the greatest player that I mean that I've ever seen, and many people that I know that have coached him and been teammates with him. They've also probably the biggest ass they've ever met. But you know, yeah, did he do steroids apparently? But I don't know that derrick jeter did or didn't, like I don't know. I'm not saying he did or didn't, who knows. You know it's like just because someone got caught, right you know you're gonna keep out of the hall of fame.

Speaker 1: 47:23

I mean, come fair enough. Today, by the way, um, it's changed and now it can be prescribed and it can't be revealed because of hippa, testosterone replacement therapy and a bunch of other stuff, and it's all bullshit it's all bullshit.

Speaker 2: 47:36

The great the thing with baseball back in the day that was even bigger than the steroid, were the greenies. So greenies, that's like a focus drug, right, and that's what they would do. True story, I mean, god, I could tell you some funny stories, crazy stories. You remember Randy Johnson, right, yeah, so I won't say the other team that it was.

Speaker 2: 47:54

Jason Menino and I were in Arizona one night, randy Johnson's going to pitch, who at the time was untouchable? Cy Young, blah, blah, blah. We were with this other team 6 am. They were playing that night 7 am these guys were still going. At 6 am I'm like. I got to go to bed, I got to find a bookie and put as much money as possible on the Arizona Dimebacks. I didn, but uh, apparently the the amount of things that they can get from their trainers in the morning time. They beat randy johnson that night and I remember randy johnson was like minus 350. So for those of you it's like if you bet 100 bucks and lose, you lose 350. So if you want to, you know it. Um and he and that game.

Speaker 1: 48:38

But anyway, the majority of the piece, they hook up into them and everything else. That's what they do.

Speaker 2: 48:43

They go in the room, they go in the training room in the morning and they're like hey, I had a rough night.

Speaker 1: 48:47

Sleep it off. They're sleeping, we're good.

Speaker 2: 48:51

Yeah, it's unreal. So anyway, yeah, I have a whole, yeah, my whole thing, even playing field across the board. I can't, you know, rackable, right, we don't drug test, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 49:04

Well, you did or what I did, or well did they, though?

Speaker 2: 49:08

I mean, you know, irf says that's the other thing, maybe Right.

Speaker 1: 49:14

Yeah, there was a. I will. I'll leave the. I know this is like like it's one of the longer form things we're going to do, but I will say one of my decisions of exiting was I was in really really good physical shape in college. I mean like really really good. I was 205 and like 4% body fat and could just go, go, go.

Speaker 2: 49:30

What are you now? We're getting back to that, bro.

Speaker 1: 49:33

I'm 230 now, but a little more. The point was that I'd be like 15 weeks into the season and I can barely lift my arm and I'm like I train, I do everything, diet, and these other guys are like every week in and out like nothing's happened and I'm like they have got to be good. And they were. They were, they're getting stuff for the recovery and I was like I'm not going to do that, I'm not going to compete, there's no money for me to go do this with. Like there's no, there's no juice squeezing here and I was like you know what, even in this sports getting like I was like all right, I'm just gonna go do something else. I'm gonna go get fat my 20s, I'll be back. It was fun.

Speaker 2: 50:06

I did it a lot of good, got a lot of good eats and drinks I wish, uh, I probably would have stopped drinking a few decades earlier.

Speaker 1: 50:12

Probably would save me a bit of money and time. All right, let me get one last one for you. All right, if you had to start over today, what would you do differently?

Speaker 2: 50:20

What age I mean? I did so much in life.

Speaker 1: 50:24

Like pick a moment. If I could go back to this moment, I would do this.

Speaker 2: 50:28

I would have listened to Eric Mueller and gave him 10% of every single check I ever took.

Speaker 1: 50:33

Oh, you'd have let him invest it for you 10% of every dollar I ever made minimum.

Speaker 2: 50:39

That's probably what I would have done.

Speaker 1: 50:43

Those Harvard law guys you might want to listen to. They're, they're pretty smart.

Speaker 2: 50:46

Don't forget.

Speaker 1: 50:46

BU, oh yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:48

Forgot BU business, harvard law, jd, mba. I can't even say how many things he has.

Speaker 1: 50:53

He's a. He's a smart human. He always was.

Speaker 2: 50:56

Probably just that. But I mean, that's me, you know, from a, from a life standpoint. Probably just that. But that's me from a life standpoint. I say one of my slogans, if you saw any of, I'm eating, I'm picking those things right. So everybody I'm talking to, it's just a decision. It's up to you. You know you don't like the way you feel, then make a change. Oh, but I can't. Yes, you can, there's always a change. You know, I tell people all the time like, how'd you lose all that weight? I'm like dressed, I didn't like the way my pants fit.

Speaker 2: 51:40

That moment I just started making better decisions. I didn't tell anybody, I didn't talk about it, I didn't. You know what, instead of having a full cup of coffee with coffee creamer, maybe, I had a, I changed a little bit less milk and, by the way, I love pizza, right. So I'd be like how many slices of pizza can you eat? Time, I could eat six or seven. Cool Eat five, right? Just smaller decisions. And that's what I did. Then you get, look, you see, those little results, those baby steps. Next thing, you know, you're like now I really liked the way I feel. Now I'm going to go jump on the Peloton, you know, and then those things happen.

Speaker 1: 52:09

So anyway, it's just in the book. I tell you to read on that, the one that you'd asked about AD uh, atomic habits by James Clear.

Speaker 1: 52:15

Um the math if you if the math, if you, if you gain 1% every day, little little habits, over the next year, you'll be 37.38 times better. If you decline, you'll be at 0.025 of what you were at the beginning of the year. And if you do nothing, you're still the same maybe. So the difference between getting worse and getting better is an extraordinarily large number between and I. My goal is, every day, even if I don't want to show up for the gym, I go. If I try to find, I try to have no 0% days and very few negative days. Um, and that that'd be the one book I tell everyone to read is go, do atomic habits and find 1% to improve by every day.

Speaker 2: 52:53

I'm going to write it down, but I want you to text it to me.

Speaker 1: 52:55

I will, I will, I'd listen to it because, because you can walk and you're going to get everything you want out of it from that.

Speaker 2: 53:01

Okay.

Speaker 1: 53:02

Just plan an eight-hour walk and just knock it out.

Speaker 2: 53:05

Can I just sprint for five minutes?

Speaker 1: 53:06

No, no, you'll get distracted, your heart rate will get uptight.

Speaker 2: 53:09

All right.

Speaker 1: 53:10

Last question before you get the shameless plug of whatever you'd like to go do.

Speaker 2: 53:21

If there was one question I should have asked you today, and I didn't. What would that question be? Oh, that's easy. What the hell is a name like?

Speaker 1: 53:24

sudsy, and where'd you get it from? I already know the answer to that, but go ahead well, but that I mean you.

Speaker 2: 53:27

I don't know, is this for you or for your, for your listeners?

Speaker 1: 53:30

it's what you'd like to share. It's a reflection of you, not me yeah, sudsy's a nickname, obviously, tom.

Speaker 2: 53:35

You know my. My legal birth name is walter uh, which I'm not a big fan of that.

Speaker 1: 53:41

You don't look like a.

Speaker 2: 53:41

Walter. No shit, I was born a Jack. I got to tell my wife that that's funny, that's like her fun name for me Jack. Oh, you look like Jack. Yeah that's funny. I didn't tell her that.

Speaker 1: 53:51

Really, you're just one Jack off, though I mean that's.

Speaker 2: 54:00

Well, the actual. So my mother was going to name me Christopher John and my father, walter Sr, was like he's a junior, uh-uh, walter Jr, same father. So Walter is my name, same father. When you learn how to walk as an infant, you're 10 months old, you're climbing on furniture. He had like a glass of beer sitting on the coffee table and he said he wasn't. He didn't hear me for like a few minutes. Back then it was probably an hour, right, even at 10 months old, I don't know where we are. And he said he looked at me and I had suds all over my face, like I was going into his beer and I was just sitting there like with it. And he said he looked at me and he goes sudsy. And then my mom says from that moment on he would only introduce me to everyone as Sudsy and and and that was it. And here's Sudsy.

Speaker 1: 54:45

It's a good brand, it's good, you know. Here's the thing. You didn't need your last name, it's easy, shameless plug time. You got to plug Frank. Tell me how people tell me who should get ahold of you and how they should do that and what you know.

Speaker 2: 55:01

What you, what, any offers you got for people to use. Yeah, so go go you definitely. My Facebook is pretty, pretty active. The Sudsy Munchik athlete page make sure it's the athlete page. It's got the blue check mark. Um, I don't know if that means something cool, tom, uh, but you can find me there. Uh, you can find me on Instagram Sudsy Munchik, youtube, sudsy munchik. And, of course, you can go to frankhotelscom and book a room. Book direct and use promo code sudsy and you'll get a discount. Pacific Northwest, a cool place, beautiful.

Speaker 1: 55:29

Yeah, you're in Washington now, so so thanks. Thanks for joining here today. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2: 55:33

My pleasure. A lot of fun, buddy. Thank you.

Speaker 1: 55:35

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